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laptop is dying
JT Moree
2007-10-31 14:23:24 UTC
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It seems that the IDE subsystem in the laptop is dying. Windows won't
boot anymore. The smart subsystem cannot finish running tests on
multiple hard drives and CDrom access takes forever during POST. It's
slow during live CD access I think but it's always slow.

I've considered getting an external USB enclosure for the drive but i
can't get it to boot USB.

Anyone have a similar problem?
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JT Morée
PC Xperience, Inc.
Håkan Wikström
2007-10-31 15:44:10 UTC
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It seems that the IDE subsystem in the laptop is dying. Windows won't
boot anymore. The smart subsystem cannot finish running tests on
multiple hard drives and CDrom access takes forever during POST. It's
slow during live CD access I think but it's always slow.
I've considered getting an external USB enclosure for the drive but i
can't get it to boot USB.
Anyone have a similar problem?
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JT Morée
PC Xperience, Inc.
I had similar problems a while back. I had very poor disk write performance
and I noticed the disk failed SMART tests more and more often. I put an old
10GB 2.5" disk in it and had no problems so the decision to get a disk
upgrade was easy for me.

Try running a SMART test on the disk (http://smartmontools.sf.net - it can
be run from a bootable CD); a regular quick test will most likely be able to
pinpoint if it is the drive or the controller.


Håkan
John Jason Jordan
2007-10-31 17:45:16 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:44:10 +0100
Post by Håkan Wikström
Post by JT Moree
It seems that the IDE subsystem in the laptop is dying. Windows won't
boot anymore. The smart subsystem cannot finish running tests on
multiple hard drives and CDrom access takes forever during POST. It's
slow during live CD access I think but it's always slow.
I've considered getting an external USB enclosure for the drive but i
can't get it to boot USB.
I had similar problems a while back. I had very poor disk write performance
and I noticed the disk failed SMART tests more and more often. I put an old
10GB 2.5" disk in it and had no problems so the decision to get a disk
upgrade was easy for me.
Try running a SMART test on the disk (http://smartmontools.sf.net - it can
be run from a bootable CD); a regular quick test will most likely be able to
pinpoint if it is the drive or the controller.
Ever since I bought my R3240US brand new 2.5 years ago I have had
recurring problems with corrupted data. Eventually I discovered that
the problem was the connector on the bottom of the motherboard. The
connector on the hard disk that came with the computer (60 GB, 4200
RPM) did not mesh tightly with the connector on the motherboard. This
was due to just plain rotten design. I bought a new 7200 RPM 80 GB
drive, partly to get something faster, and partly in the hopes that it
would fit better. It did not and I continued to have corrupted data now
and then. I tried inserting pieces of cardboard and wedges, but never
could get a reliable connection. I can't tell you how many times I had
to run fsck to repair the filesystem.

Recently it refused to boot. And when I ran fsck it made a couple
thousand corrections. Afterwards my data appeared to be intact, but I
still couldn't boot the OS (Feisty, amd64). I struggled with it for a
while, then (using 20 GB I had left unformatted) I installed Gutsy,
accessed the old data, copied all my stuff to DVDs, and left the
computer sitting. Then I bought a brand new Lenovo T61, installed
Gutsy amd64, restored all my data, and that is what I am writing this
on.

My R3240 served me reasonably well, but I am not impressed with the
quality of the design or components. I will never buy another HP
laptop. As soon as I get around to it I am going to put the old
original 60 GB drive back into the R3240 and donate it to a local Linux
group. I have a USB enclosure that I can use for the 80 GB drive, which
I will then use as a backup medium or something. I have a couple extra
batteries and an extra power brick that I'll offer here or put on eBay,
since the Linux group won't need them.

If you have problems with the drives it may be the connectors, not the
drives. I would suggest poking around to see if you can access the
connections.
Derek Murphy (Simba 64 bit)
2007-10-31 20:15:35 UTC
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Post by John Jason Jordan
Post by Håkan Wikström
I had similar problems a while back. I had very poor disk write performance
and I noticed the disk failed SMART tests more and more often. I put an old
10GB 2.5" disk in it and had no problems so the decision to get a disk
upgrade was easy for me.
I use my 3320CA every day (and have since I got it almost 3 years ago),
and the only "bad design" I notice is the battery - mine died after less
than 2 years, and the only other problem I've ever had (and it re-occurs
periodically) is that the screen sometimes goes black until I multi-toggle
the screen-turnoff "pin" that the lid hits when it closes. Dirty, I guess.

I changed the original HDD for a 160 GB 2 1/2" I got from RBComputing
(local retailer here in Ottawa, Canada) simply because I needed more drive
space. I put the old one in a 2 1/2" USB enclosure and use it
periodically for extra storage.
Post by John Jason Jordan
Ever since I bought my R3240US brand new 2.5 years ago I have had
recurring problems with corrupted data. Eventually I discovered that
the problem was the connector on the bottom of the motherboard. The
connector on the hard disk that came with the computer (60 GB, 4200
RPM) did not mesh tightly with the connector on the motherboard. This
was due to just plain rotten design.
I've experienced nothing of the sort - maybe you got a "Monday Machine"?
Post by John Jason Jordan
My R3240 served me reasonably well, but I am not impressed with the
quality of the design or components. I will never buy another HP
laptop. As soon as I get around to it I am going to put the old
original 60 GB drive back into the R3240 and donate it to a local Linux
group. I have a USB enclosure that I can use for the 80 GB drive, which
I will then use as a backup medium or something. I have a couple extra
batteries and an extra power brick that I'll offer here or put on eBay,
since the Linux group won't need them.
When you do, I'll be in touch to get them. ;-) I don't see me upgrading
my machine in the forseeable future as I'm quite pleased with it.
Everything works for me, except the SD/etc card reader, which I don't need
so I've not bothered to install the ndiswrapper kludge that's now
apparently available.

Running 64-bit Debian Etch, with a full Slackware-11.0 32-bit chroot,
dual-booting into Microsoft Windows XP Home (to play games with).


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Derek T. Murphy <***@NightTiger.ca>
Night Tiger Inc. Kanata, Ontario, Canada
System Administration/Network Security GPG key at www.NightTiger.ca
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